L rev no walls

[buthus]

Latrodectus revivensis adult in fully open "enclosure". She's been content with her home since the moment I put her in there over a week ago. I've done this lately for photoshoots ...just leaving the enclosure front open for a few days. In my old apartment, I let a hesperus live under my bathroom sink and another reside in my medicine cabinet for a couple months ...until the hesp under the sink one day was missing. Never found her. She must have wandered around my apartment until she died. Roaches or something must have taken care of the corps.

Room is under major renovation, but my workstation "nook" is starting to take shape ...and I'd probably be finished with it if it wasnt for all these damn spiders. :D

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_00.jpg

Just a cactus root attached to the wall.
http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_01.jpg

Her hiding spot. Tan thing next to her is a wood shaving from waxworms. She must have come down to the top of the dresser below her and gathered it up. I had spilled some there, but not on purpose, but now I'm thinkin I'll have to find some interesting junk for her to play with. OW desert latros are big time recyclers and builders.
http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_02.jpg

Ok... this just tickled me giddy. I was working on the room all day yesterday..hauling lumber back and forth, cleaning, etc and the door was open during most of that time. Towards the end of the day I took a quick look at how my girl was doing and right dab smack in the middle of her web was a nice looking, sub-adult(one more molt ..maybe 2) hesperus male! I will give it a 95% probability that he is an outside male, 4.9996% he is an escaped sling that was able to survive and mature in my room and a 0.00042% chance that he simply materialized out of thin air.
http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_03.jpg

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_04.jpg

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_05.jpg

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_06.jpg

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_07.jpg

[Elsa]

isnt she quite poisonus?

[buthus]

isnt she quite poisonus?
Only to something she bites. ;)

[Elsa]

how do u no she wont get outof that room or bite u?

[buthus]

how do u no she wont get outof that room or bite u?
Im fairly aware of whats going on regarding my door. Shes a good sized creature that will leave a web trail to wherever she goes. It would be hard for here to slip by me in that manner. I've gotton kindof good at this stuff during the last couple of years. Slings are the real worry. Though with only an occasional escapee now and then, I doubt there would be much of an environmental crises. Its not easy to cross-breed these and when it does happen rarely are eggs produced and rarer yet, young ...and fertil cross-bred spiders are just about unheard of.
I have been dealing with hundreds of widows for a while now ...Im at 10 species plus some of their cousins... and I have not been bitten (as far as I know). A male released something in me...irritated my skin a bit, and A centipede or two have attempted to eat my hands, but thats about it.
They dont run around on the ground seeking out huge mammels just to bite them. Infact they dont really run around at all, nor do they jump or physically attack like a dog or a gerble or something. ;) If I walk into my room and miss the fact that she layed webbing spanning over to my chair, then I'm loosing my touch and/or going blind amd probably should think about a change of hobby. :)

[Elsa]

lol. no way am i that brave!

[Tegenaria]

They are indeed cool spiders but there's no way i'd have one in my house,and anyone who lets them make egg sacs is just bonkers!

[Gigas]

I've wanted to try something Similar to this With an H. maculata, I belive someone has done it succesfully in the past.

[buthus]

They are indeed cool spiders but there's no way i'd have one in my house,and anyone who lets them make egg sacs is just bonkers! Really? You seem more like the down to Earth logical type.


I've wanted to try something Similar to this With an H. maculata, I belive someone has done it succesfully in the past.
Sounds like an interesting experiment. Its truely the only way to find out if you can really provide an environment that is acceptable to the spider. Usually even a content spider will be a homebody as long as that is its nature in the wild.

[Tegenaria]

Really? You seem more like the down to Earth logical type.


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exactly, thats why i wouldnt have them loose in the house, and if they made egg sacs they would be destroyed. Butthen i have young kids and I saw what happened to a todler that accidentally picked a Latro up,not pleasant!

[Elsa]

do u hav a dwa licence?

[buthus]

I understand, but I think that people have made latro sling raising sound difficult and uncontrollable. Latro slings are fairly large (geos can be small, but most other species are not that small) and easy to rehouse and deal with in general.

L.hesperus are everywhere where I live. I've had many hundreds in my backyard ...I've even promoted their existance...feeding, mating etc as if my backyard was a big enclosure. I, nor has anyone else I know been biten.

Anyway... not trying to convince you of anything here. I have no need to. :blink:

[Gigas]

do u hav a dwa licence?

He is in America, he doesn't need one.

[Elsa]

ahhhhhhhhhh. can u keep anything u want in america?

[Gigas]

except for Phasmids and Giant land snails *Chuckles*

[buthus]

ahhhhhhhhhh. can u keep anything u want in america?

We have a lot of levels to government as I'm sure you do to. Its sometimes difficult to really know if you are breaking some sort of exotic pet laws enforced by your state or city.
I dont know how you "guys" think about law over there, but here, we break the laws that we feel are not allowing us to pursue that life, liberty and happiness stuff. If you're a good person with half a brain, you understand which laws apply to that way of thinking and which do not. Doesnt always work out that way because people can be ..er...stupid. But, its kind of an underlying understanding that you need a bit of anarchy bubbling to keep freedom from sticking to the pan ...so to speak.

arrrghh..sorry... more info than you asked for, but thats what comes to mind when trying to explain why I dont know, nor do I care what my local or state exotic pet laws are. I'll guess that there are probably some regulations or restrictions...but whatever.

[Tegenaria]

I must admit this would work great for my Tegenaria, in a tank:

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_01.jpg

[buthus]

I must admit this would work great for my Tegenaria, in a tank:

http://www.moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_openenclosure_01.jpg

What would work? My desk in a tank? :D
Tegenaria can be found in tangled organic structure like this root?
When you find them in the "wild", where and how are they living?
BTW... are Tegenaria the largest specie of spider you have over there?

[Tegenaria]

What would work? My desk in a tank? :D
Tegenaria can be found in tangled organic structure like this root?
When you find them in the "wild", where and how are they living?
BTW... are Tegenaria the largest specie of spider you have over there?

I just thought the tangled cactus root would look cool in a tank for a Teg.
Im not sure if Teg is the biggest spider we have over here, but Ive heard the females can reach 5 inches-yet to seee one that big tho1

[Elsa]

BTW... are Tegenaria the largest specie of spider you have over there?
i think so.lol...pathetic really

[Tegenaria]

oi, who you calling Pathetic!
some humans........ ;)

[Elsa]

that our biggest typ of spider is tegenaria

[Tegenaria]

Yea and I'm gonna eat you for tea if youre not careful! ;)

[Elsa]

Yea and I'm gonna eat you for tea if youre not careful! ;)
im terrified. ahhhhh. someone save me...

[Tegenaria]

I'm a comin to get you...!

http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/spider1.gif

[Elsa]

that dont look like a tegenaria to me!

[Tegenaria]

its Tegenaria cartoonica!

[buthus]

I just thought the tangled cactus root would look cool in a tank for a Teg.
Im not sure if Teg is the biggest spider we have over here, but Ive heard the females can reach 5 inches-yet to seee one that big tho1

Do you come across them outside of human structures? ...like in the woods or gardens? If so, can you give a quick lesson on how they live? ..preferred structure, webbing, proximity of other adults...etc. :blink: 2000 words or less .
..just joking. The basics would be great info though. ;)

[Gigas]

Tegenaria are sheet web spiders, in my personal experience when I find them in the wild they are at the base of trees where the tree have a crevace type area for the sheet web to be placed, other places I have seen them is within hollowed rotten logs and tree stumps, and occasionally in areas of freshly fallen timber. All spiders found in these instances i believe have been Tegenaria agrestis, I personally can only say whether i think the spider is domestica, agrestis or duelica (gigantea) as they are the only species I can almost tell the differences between (and knw of).
Once in a small rocky area I have found T. duelica in the wild, the specimen had a 4.5 inch legspan and again inhabited its sheet web.
In and around human habitation, to my knowledge i haven't seen a T. agrestis in buildings the main species found was un surpridsingly T. domestica, which make sheet webs behind furniture etc, upon reflection one surface has always been a solid wall. Often found outside the home T. domestica build sheet webs in corners that are created when two walls meet. Though i have never found T. agrestis inside of a building i so have some roofing tiles in the garden which stacked upon each other make almost miny caves which in late autumn agrestis can be found in web capsules with long and large entrances. T gigantea, I have seen large and elabourate sheet webs that these construct in my garage (not very often) with multiple entrances, interestingly enough a few weeks ago whilst doing a side job (which i use to pay for T's :p) i removed a large sheet of Ivy which was FULL of large female T. gigantea and many many young, whether this retreat was used to over winter and lay egg sacs or suits the T . gigantea as a year round hunting ground as opposed to a web I am not sure.

As i say these are all personal observations.

[Tegenaria]

I must admit I have only ever seen Tegs inside buildings, usually fully webbed up and near the roof(as in the one in my shed!)

Also Im not sure if the ones Ive seen are T.domestica, agrestis or gigantea-need a close look at the palps to be sure.

[buthus]

Tegenaria are sheet web spiders, in my personal experience when I find them in the wild they are at the base of trees where the tree have a crevace type area for the sheet web to be placed, other places I have seen them is within hollowed rotten logs and tree stumps, and occasionally in areas of freshly fallen timber. All spiders found in these instances i believe have been Tegenaria agrestis, I personally can only say whether i think the spider is domestica, agrestis or duelica (gigantea) as they are the only species I can almost tell the differences between (and knw of).
Once in a small rocky area I have found T. duelica in the wild, the specimen had a 4.5 inch legspan and again inhabited its sheet web.
In and around human habitation, to my knowledge i haven't seen a T. agrestis in buildings the main species found was un surpridsingly T. domestica, which make sheet webs behind furniture etc, upon reflection one surface has always been a solid wall. Often found outside the home T. domestica build sheet webs in corners that are created when two walls meet. Though i have never found T. agrestis inside of a building i so have some roofing tiles in the garden which stacked upon each other make almost miny caves which in late autumn agrestis can be found in web capsules with long and large entrances. T gigantea, I have seen large and elabourate sheet webs that these construct in my garage (not very often) with multiple entrances, interestingly enough a few weeks ago whilst doing a side job (which i use to pay for T's :p) i removed a large sheet of Ivy which was FULL of large female T. gigantea and many many young, whether this retreat was used to over winter and lay egg sacs or suits the T . gigantea as a year round hunting ground as opposed to a web I am not sure.

As i say these are all personal observations.

GREAT info! Thanks...I hope to be able to play with a few of these sometime in the future. Glad to hear they are homebodies, because I am not as interested in species that need tons of space to wander.

[buthus]

Well, shes been fine without an enclosure since the 1st week of April, but suddenly now she has decided she needs to go back to where she belongs. Probably an instinct to move to a better location to be found by a male. Only guessing, but seems a good guess anyway.
Yesterday I found her in a shelf about 4ft away from her web. I dont always check up on her everyday, but I noticed Latro webbing leading to my desk chair and I knew right away it must be her. Looks like she came out, checked out my chair and then hunkered down within some video equipment, paper, media and whatnot stored on the bottom shelf. Actually only took me less than a minute to track her down.
Today she was home when I checked up on her...until tonight after I left the room for a few hours. Again ran into some web trails, but this time it took me awhile to spot her because she headed the other way after some exploration..so it seems. I have enough junk in my studio to allow a spider to hide well ...I was about to start a serious search just as I spotted her. I hate tearing up my room looking for inverts ...glad it didn't come to that. :D

Some crappy video of her retrieval...
here (http://moflash.net/stuff/img/spiders/rev_A6_trying2leaveCA.html)